Lee and Serge talk about Lee’s imagery of a Pendulum in codependency to describe shifting from being people-pleasing to intolerant and then eventually finding balance.

serge Prengel

This podcast features conversations about mindful recovery and personal growth, from 2 perspectives:

Serge Prengel is a therapist and the author of The Proactive Twelve Steps.

Lee Renée McGinnis

Lee Renee McGinnis has been in recovery for 10 years and enjoys coaching people.

Published August 2022